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T.O.C
Aug 26, 2013 18:09:08 GMT -6
Post by bassin on Aug 26, 2013 18:09:08 GMT -6
We have 17 members in the club TY joining so top 9 fish the T.O.C correct??
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T.O.C
Aug 26, 2013 18:59:42 GMT -6
Post by skeetermandan on Aug 26, 2013 18:59:42 GMT -6
That`s what Brian said the other night.I`m sure he will confirm.
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T.O.C
Aug 27, 2013 10:18:12 GMT -6
Post by Brian on Aug 27, 2013 10:18:12 GMT -6
Yeah. It only says "top half" in bylaws, but we round up one, if necessary. That would be a great bylaw change for next year  |
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T.O.C
Aug 27, 2013 12:09:35 GMT -6
Post by bassin on Aug 27, 2013 12:09:35 GMT -6
DONE
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T.O.C
Aug 27, 2013 12:17:58 GMT -6
Post by bassin on Aug 27, 2013 12:17:58 GMT -6
We round up in years past so i can,t see why it should change now.Even if its not in bylaws
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T.O.C
Aug 27, 2013 20:03:24 GMT -6
Post by haulinbass on Aug 27, 2013 20:03:24 GMT -6
I recall a few years back I think we had 19 members and only 9 made the TOC (it might have been 21 and 10, not positive). But, regardless, I would like to see Greg get the opportunity to fish.
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T.O.C
Aug 28, 2013 4:10:52 GMT -6
Post by bassin on Aug 28, 2013 4:10:52 GMT -6
Should be in the bass club records some place i would think.
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T.O.C
Sept 3, 2013 9:38:09 GMT -6
Post by Brian on Sept 3, 2013 9:38:09 GMT -6
I've looked back in the records through 2008. There have been several times there were an odd number of members..... but in each case one or more guys opted out of the TOC, so there is no way of knowing for sure how many were actually eligible to fish. The only example where there might be an answer is in 2008. There were 23 members, and on the TOC standings there is a line drawn after #11. However, only 10 guys showed up to the TOC.....
Obviously the top half of the standings cannot include a half a guy if we have an odd number of members. My vote is to round up this year to include Greg, but for sure have a bylaw vote in the off-season.
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T.O.C
Sept 3, 2013 12:19:45 GMT -6
Post by bassin on Sept 3, 2013 12:19:45 GMT -6
One will be subbmitted.
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Post by haulinbass on Sept 3, 2013 16:23:53 GMT -6
That will be a good topic for discussion along with Greg's wild-card idea. Another thing to discuss is something that was brought up in the past about if someone pulls out of the TOC to replace them with the next person down in the standings. Some good ideas to try to make sure the field is filled.
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T.O.C
Sept 5, 2013 19:39:42 GMT -6
Post by bassin on Sept 5, 2013 19:39:42 GMT -6
A couple things to think about,on the wildcard idea,we try to get as many people to attend club functions including tournaments ,meetings,kids programs which we get points for all.If i understand the part i heard on the wildcard issue was if you win 1 tournament you can fish the t.o.c .Which people make it a point to attend & work club functions to accumulate points to help qualify to fish the T.O.C.That could hurt some attendance. On the replacement idea people will also make it a point to attend at least 6 tournaments/functions to help them qualify to fish the T.O.C and some members might not care as much as others to attend at least 6 tournaments or try to improve there chances. I don,t think we have a field to fill.So my (opinion)would to keep it the way it is.
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T.O.C
Sept 10, 2013 14:26:46 GMT -6
Post by ranger681 on Sept 10, 2013 14:26:46 GMT -6
If we change it to points and first place qualifiers the field would increase from 9(including Greg on the rounding approach) to 12. Rudy, Corey and Pete get added to the tournament. I'm cool with that. Depending on the year and number of winners with guests, we could have a field of 16. (8 tournaments x 2 new winners each tournament.)
Worth talking about.
Steve
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T.O.C
Sept 10, 2013 20:21:50 GMT -6
Post by haulinbass on Sept 10, 2013 20:21:50 GMT -6
Could go with one or two wild card spots to start as a trial run. See how it goes.
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T.O.C
Sept 11, 2013 13:07:21 GMT -6
Post by skeetermandan on Sept 11, 2013 13:07:21 GMT -6
Being that none of this had been brought up until the last meeting ,I don`t feel that any of this should be considered for implementation into this seasons.There needs to be some discussion and agreement on this,well before it gets voted on.I don`t think this is a subject that someone brings up in the forum a week before the T O C meeting and get this in for this years T O C. I just feel there are a lot of questions that need to be gone over before this is put in effect.The other subject that keeps coming up year after year is the replacement of someone who can`t make it to the T O C.this has been covered before, it is what it is 9 people are in if someone can`t make it ,we came to the consensus last year.The position is earned
and not given.This is what I think and this isn`t my club so if everyone feels differently then let it be done.
Dan
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T.O.C
Sept 11, 2013 14:42:48 GMT -6
Post by Brian on Sept 11, 2013 14:42:48 GMT -6
I agree Dan, that it's earned not given. And yeah we've covered that one. Any change to bylaws can't happen anyway until next year so we're all good. There's definitely been some interesting TOC ideas floated out there for discussion though. A thought I've heard and share is, making the TOC is something that requires club participation. Opening it up to other qualifiers who may get in without much participation can 'cheapen' it a little. Love the discussion |
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T.O.C
Sept 11, 2013 18:12:16 GMT -6
Post by haulinbass on Sept 11, 2013 18:12:16 GMT -6
I understand both sides of the discussion and obviously a longer process is involved and nothing can be changed for this year. I also agree with participation but the problem arises when people have to work during all the scheduled tournaments. Participation in the meetings and Thousand Islands won't qualify you for the TOC. If you are unable to fish at least 4 or 5 tournies you are pretty much out of luck. I know this season I was looking at only being able to fish one event. Only with my job change was I able to fish the night tourney. The fact that I knew I wasn't going to qualify in no way made me limit my participation in other club functions i.e. Thousand Islands. I don't think that is the type of people that make up our membership. Personally, I don't think I have ever been involved with a group as community conscious as what we have in the club.
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T.O.C
Sept 13, 2013 9:24:20 GMT -6
Post by Brian on Sept 13, 2013 9:24:20 GMT -6
Yeah, for sure I don't see anyone taking advantage of a TOC wildcard rule change. For example, 'oh I won the first tournament of the year, now I'll just ditch the club until the TOC'. It's not that. I think it would be more inadvertent. A similar situation I can think of is if a member has to miss a big weight weekend, like Sturgeon Bay. If that happens, your chance of winning Mr. Bass is greatly reduced, even after everyone tosses out their worst two tournaments. Now what? My point is it's hard to accommodate every unfortunate situation without creating an equal but opposite effect. My opinion Maybe in a club with a bigger membership...... like 35-40 guys, would a wildcard seem more appropriate to me. |
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